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Fetching updates on Dreamhack?

How does one update their repos on their hack now? The 'old' script no longer pulls anything for me (what used to be on http://wiki.dwscoalition.org/wiki/index.php/Dev_Maintenance) and I don't understand how I can keep up with changes. :/

(Context: I'm on Windows; I use PuTTY and WinSCP).

Edit: ok, if anybody else wonders, short answer is you can no longer update your hack using old methods. :/

Edit 2: long answer is you can switch to the new system. See comments for detailed instructions. :)

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They didn't work for me: it gave me an error and the files which should have been updated haven't. Maybe I've done something wrong.

Edit: Aren't these are what I'm supposed to do in Git Shell and not the old system? This is very confusing.

Edited 2012-08-23 14:42 (UTC)

You said you were using PuTTY to get a command line on your Dreamhack, correct? The commands should be used there. Is that what you were confused about?

As I said the commands don't work for me. No, the confusing part is that I'm still using the old system and I no longer understand how I'm supposed to make it work and I would switch to the new system if I understood how it worked (and if I hadn't been told to keep on doing this the old way). I thought I was supposed to keep doing things as usual until I was told to switch but, apparently, no. I'm lost.

Okay, I think I understand now. If you haven't switched to the new system, you won't be able to pull in the new changes because they're not being posted in the old repository any more. Mark and Fu stopped mirroring the changes in both places after the last code push.

When you were told you could keep working "the old way," that referred specifically to the patch submission process, not the update process. You are still able to submit patches through Bugzilla instead of having to create a Github pull request. But if you want to work against the very latest code, you will need to download it from the git repository.

I'm sorry if this is upsetting for you! I know it's a lot to take in and there hasn't been a lot of communication because the kinks in the process are still being worked out.

Mark and Fu stopped mirroring the changes in both places after the last code push.

Huh, I totally missed that. I guess I have a lot of work to do before I can actually go back to coding again, then.

Was there an announcement I missed? I'm not seeing anything on

dw_dev

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I don't think it was announced. I had to ask them what was up.

Well, I feel less stupid all of a sudden. Thanks again.

Ok I wish I had been explained all this before so thank you very much for telling me. I would love to switch to the new system but none of the instructions seems geared towards my system specifically (except for the Github site itself which is very windows-friendly) so I guess I'll just have to wait and see before I'm able to do any of the patches I want to make. :/

I think if you can use Github's instructions for creating a new development environment on your local machine, and use our wiki instructions for updating your Dreamhack, you should be able to get up and running, but if for any reason you run into anything that isn't clear or gives you trouble, let us know so that we can help you and also hopefully improve our own documentation!

I think if you can use Github's instructions for creating a new development environment on your local machine

This is the easy part.

and use our wiki instructions for updating your Dreamhack, you should be able to get up and running

This is the part that makes no sense to me because 1) instructions are all over the place 2) it's not 100% clear to me what are the parts for hacks and what aren't 3) don't tell me where or how to do this. I feel like I'm back when I got into dev work since there were zero instructions for newbies on windows.

Edited 2012-08-23 16:37 (UTC)

The most recent post in

dw_wiki is where Fey and Fu have been coordinating efforts to update the documentation - maybe that would be a good place to brainstorm how best to address your concerns.

(I hope that doesn't come across as dismissive! I am just crap at documentation and I am happy other people are working on it who are not me.)

I saw that earlier today and I know they plan to update my newbie guide but, well, this doesn't really help. I just wish we had been told some stuff like what you said above instead of leaving us in the dark about them. Not you fault so it's unfair to unload this on you (and you don't come across as dismissive at all). Also I'm very cranky today for other reasons and would have liked to cheer me up with some DW so not being able to makes me extra cranky. My apologies.

Hey 90d--you're totally right about this and I'm sorry. I'm going to make a post to

dw_dev about this so nobody else ends up in the dark. If you want somebody to help walk you through anything in real time, I am happy to do so--I'm working on getting myself up to the level I need to be to write good documentation on this.

Pretty much all of the directions here are for Dreamhack moving over while logged in through PuTTy, but I think what is lacking is what happens AFTER that for trying to develop anything. I will make that my top documentation priority now.

I can't do real time because I'm a bad typist in these circumstances and IM is extremely stressful for me (and believe me I know how stupid that sounds) but if email's or commenting's ok for you I would like that, please. I know this isn't ideal for you guys so I would understand if you said no.

Also thank you very much. I'm sorry I commented on the dw_wiki entry before I saw your comment.

No, no, that is fine! Commenting is fine! We don't want to stress you out. And I think we commented around the same time in our respective places. We love you, we love the work that you do, we've fallen down on how to best manage this transition, and we want to make it right in however you think is best!

Probably the first thing is to transfer over your development environment to Git. Fortunately, it is very forgiving--since you just move the old one out of the way, if it ends up messed up, or you want to go back to the old one for whatever reason, you could just move it back and everything would be okay.

We can work on improving this document as we go along:

http://wiki.dwscoalition.org/wiki/index.php/Moving_your_Dreamwidth_installation_to_use_Github

The first time you run into a question, just comment, and I or

afuna will answer. I'll be tracking all comments to this entry, so you don't even have to make them all into a big thread, just any comment here, I will see it.

Thank you.

So the the first git clone command gives me an error:

fatal: https://github.com/ninetyd/dw-free.git/info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server?

Also I used my username on github (ninetyd) as my username. Should I have used something else?

ninetyd is a great github username.

Okay, when I go to your page here:

https://github.com/ninetyd

I see that you forked dw-free and dw-nonfree a while ago, but when I try to go to the repository they link to, I get a 404:

https://github.com/ninetyd/dw-free

Is this the case for you while you are logged in? It also says that "ninetyd doesn’t have any public repositories yet".

Oh no I did fork then but then I deleted them because I thought I wasn't supposed to do that since newer instructions didn't seem to mention it. I'll fork them again.

Edit: forgot to say: I'm going to take notes to make sure I remember every step so my apologies if I'm slow to answer.

Edited 2012-08-23 17:33 (UTC)

Sweet, back on the tracks--and don't worry about being slow. I'm sure you'll understand if I get pulled away and have delayed responses from work, too!

Hmm, just realized that the instructions weren't explicit wrt forking, so I've added a sentence

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Hey--

I was reading over the instructions and realized that they don't have the authenticated versions of the Github URLs, so I have edited them to be like:

git clone https://USERNAME@github.com/USERNAME/dw-free.git $LJHOME

Same with nonfree.

I remember having troubles when it came to actually trying to push anything to my repository without this. I have changed the documentation to reflect the correct things. I'm pretty sure you have already cloned and everything though, but you can change it by being in $LJHOME or $LJHOME/ext/dw-nonfree and going:

git remote set-url origin NEWURL

(you are free to make me explain that some more)

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Fey has already said everything that I want to say -- just seconding that comments are excellent (both for you, and for making it easy for others to see what's going on).

I'll be lurking around in case you run into any issues; I may have to head to bed soon, but fey is around, and I will be checking in first thing in my morning!

Thank you. I don't know if I should say this but... I've always felt it wasn't really ok actually. Not from you, just in general. It's obvious it's not a favoured way of communication in lots of areas so, er, well.

I'm sorry you've gotten that impression. Thinking back on it, I don't think we've made it obvious that discussion in comments is something we encourage, so we'll have to figure out how to push for it more.

It's not your fault. I think it also comes from the fact that some (many?) of you guys knew each other before either via LJ or pre-beta days and there are... traditions I guess. And personal preferences too, of course. So it's like an automatism if that makes sense.

Edit: reread your comment as the page reloaded it and I wanted to clarify something. It's no so much 'encourage' as 'welcome': discussion wherever it takes place is welcome and will get a response, even if it can take some time depending on the mode of communication. Also related, it feels like some info bypasses (edit: not the right word but at least correct grammar) official DW comms entirely, which I've always found odd, and thus preventing comments from happening there because there isn't simply anything to comment on.

Edited 2012-08-23 18:23 (UTC)

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